Want to Make RE BarCamps Better? Consider This….
During our travels across our fruited plain (always wanted to say that
, Brad and I have become quite familiar how RE BarCamps are run and what takes place at each event. It doesn’t make Brad or I RE BarCamps experts but more like informed observers. Stand behind a camera for 8 hours at multiple events and it will illuminate your mind.
Helping RE BarCamps Benefit All
While each RE BarCamp is unique, there are some shared commonalities about them all. Those common values include ardent sharers and seekers of information, awesome networking opportunities coupled with pre and post RE BarCamp fun social opportunities. Here’s the thing, based on feedback voiced by attendees and read in our streaming chat room during our streams, there is a growing disappointment over the failure to deliver the kind of environment and experience some attendees were hoping for. It’s not a major problem now but, it seems to be a growing trend. I’ll identify a few of those voiced challenges momentarily.
Why Write this Post You Ask?
It’s not to “stir the pot” or “be controversial”. Frankly, I’m not crazy about controversy. Because I believe so strongly in this movement I
wanted to speak out on behalf of many who have been silent to date. These trends, if not recognized, could lead to some challenging issues for the organizers and the attendees alike. The last thing I want to see happen is the RE BarCamp movement lose momentum. Hence the reason for writing this post. It’s written with the hope that each RE BarCamp will be even more beneficial to all who attend and participate. Participation by everyone is key. Offering a nonthreatening environment for learning is another key to unlocking the success of RE BarCamps.
Suggestions for Re BarCamp Organizers
Allow me to begin with the planners of RE Bar Camps. Those who help orchestra these events should be supported, thanked for their
monumental efforts and appreciated for their tireless work. If you are in the midst of planning an RE bar Camp, I trust these tips will help make your job a tad bit easier. I sure hope so. Consider these suggestions.
Let’s Get Logistical!
It seems more participation is encouraged when the “main” room is organized with chairs arranged in a circular fashion or with tables and not in a “theater mode”. If tables aren’t available, no big deal. Just begin your BarCamp with your chairs situated in theater mode, then ask attendees to rearrange them in circles conducive for discussion when breakout sessions begin. If you have separate breakout rooms, have the chairs there arranged in this manner as well. It’s amazing how the logistics of a room setup impacts and encourages participation. At least give it a try. For opening and closing statements, don’t forget to secure sound reinforcement.. AKA, a PA system. Even in a small group, often it’s difficult for everyone to hear.
Stop Presenting and Start Facilitating ….
RE BarCamp planners, instead of asking thought leaders and subject matter experts to “present” on a desired topic requested by those in attendance, or prearranged in advance, maybe expectations should be set to encourage presenters to “moderate” and “facilitate” discussion on a topic. I recall with fond memories my first RE Bar Camp in NYC when the breakout sessions were small and didn’t include powerpoint presentations. Our collaborative discussions were exhilarating. From that event, things have changed. Maybe size does matter.
Stop Selling, Start Leading!
In some cases, presenters have seized the opportunity to offer products/services as solutions. Ideally, it is my humble opinion, a breakout session should
about guiding thought-provoking discussions. Not to make excuses, but it’s in a vendor’s DNA to demonstrate a product’s features and benefits. I feel there has been a failure on two fronts. Number one, planners must set proper expectations with vendors/thought leaders and ensure that RE BarCamps aren’t the opportunity to demo products and services. Second, just because we sponsor these events doesn’t give us the right to expect to use precious RE BarCamp time to hawk products and services. In keeping with the principals of social media, RE BarCamps aren’t the time to hype products/services. It’s the prime time to show value and share knowledge, period. If you want to discuss your products and services do it at a more appropriate time or after the event is over.
Facilitators, Know Your Audience
If it’s your responsibility to facilitate a breakout, make sure the content being offered fits those who are in attendance. For example, if the topic is “Blogging 101″, advise attendees where they can blog and offer all the different types of blogging platforms and sites (avoid mentioning just one particular website or platform). State reasons why blogging is important. Offer creative content ideas. Gauge the group and help steer the dialog in the right direction. Avoid getting too techie. Remember, the purpose is to guide a group of blogging newbies. Stay on topic as best you can (bunny trails happen) and always solicit questions and comments to the ultimate benefit of all.
Maybe Smaller RE BarCamps & More of Them?
As word of mouth travels through RE.net (the real estate community on the web), these events will grow in popularity. I’m satisfied of that. In fact, it’s already happening. If planners wish to maintain some level of intimacy, common sense would dictate you keep the maximum number of attendees at or below 75. Why that magic number? The Fredericksburg RE BarCamp had around 65 in attendance and to me, that was a special event. Restricting the attendance should also make the task of finding a suitable venue less difficult. Then the next logical choice would be to schedule more hyper-local events. That’s the way real estate is going anyway, hyper-local. Why not put that concept to work in the RE BarCamp realm?
Speak Out!
In conclusion, if you have organized and planned a past RE BarCamp, I solicit your feedback. If you have attended a RE BarCamp, please leave a comment as well. I’m sure your feedback will be welcomed by those who are currently planning future events. If you are currently planning an event, you chime too.
By the way, if you know me you know I wasn’t motivated to write this post to throw stones but to make observations in hopes future RE BarCamps will be even better. I’m sold on them. Todd Carpenter, Andy Kaufman, Brad Coy, and others who set the RE BarCamp wheels in motion are visionaries in my book. I guess I’m a wee bit melancholy and long for the experience like that of my first RE BarCamp I attended in NYC.
Bobby Carroll – Not an expert, just a passionate believer in RE BarCamps

June 3rd, 2009 at 9:19 am
Bobby,
I am sold on Bar Camps too and having attended two of them to date… I agree smaller might be better. REBCPHL (Philly) was large (to me) compared to REBCVA (Fredericksburg) but both offered a lot. We drove 9 hours to get to VA and flew to Philly, both bar camps cost us both in time and money and I had certain levels of expectations. I have also watched the live streams of other bar camps and the comments during those live streams are very telling.
I will be attending Boston and look forward to reading the comments here. I think you raise some excellent points that we can all learn from them.
Constructive criticism is always a good thing! Maybe having feed back forms avaialable at the bar camps might be a good idea.
Love that picture of me and Jeff
June 3rd, 2009 at 9:23 am
Bobby – I think you summed everything up quite nicely. One of my main focuses was to have more facilitated discussions vs. presentations – and more small breakouts to try to ensure that. The debate continues to whether there should be “power points” and projectors… I can see both sides.
One other topic that still needs to be addressed is the attendance/registration issue. It’s free – people sign up easily and then don’t show up – even after numerous requests of confirmation. It puts the team in a hard position when ordering shirts/lunch/venue.
Bar Camps continue to evolve – I’m glad to be a part of the growth and look forward to the fine tuning and learning ! I really love that it is a place of sharing information with one another, with no strings – no moula.
June 3rd, 2009 at 9:31 am
Kim,
When I saw the amount of no shows in Philly it made me wonder if charging a small fee to cover a box lunch and t- shirt might be a good idea. Maybe $20.00 or something on that line. Where can you get lunch and a t-shirt plus a day of education for that kind of money?? You guys did so much work pulling Philly off I can only imagine the behind the scenes stress you must have been going through.
June 3rd, 2009 at 9:34 am
Monika – Love the idea of feedback forms. They could be universial for all RE BarCamps.
Kim – You make a valid point about the use of projectors and powerpoint. Yes – Rich Jacobson and I used some elements Nik_Nik’s Twitter “presentation” but we made it a point to make it a discussion.
June 3rd, 2009 at 9:54 am
Looks like you made some very nice observations.
Having only attended one event myself I agree crowding is a major issue that takes away from the experience but limiting attendance to such a small number of people would in my opinion also take away from the camp. Most likely a core group of attendees would be at several functions causing many people to be excluded.
Maybe the solution is to get a good handle on attendance and have enough space and moderators to offer a quaint group setting or set up a group discussion panel that is observed by the crowd.
June 3rd, 2009 at 11:14 am
I think the projectors is vital, but the presentations not. A lot of time people are visual, and I know for me, when someone asks a question, if I have the ability to show them how to step by step it is 10 times more effective than just telling them.
Look forward to seeing you in Boston Bobby!
June 3rd, 2009 at 11:28 am
Hi Dan – Don’t get me wrong, I’m a “more the merrier” kind of guy. It just seemed to me that the smaller settings were more productive from a learning perspective.
Jeremy – If tools help make an impact that’s cool. I’m just searching for that good mix of sharing and participation to foster a better RE BarCamp.
June 3rd, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Bobby,
Excellent post! You’ve done a great job of summing up a lot of different highs and lows of the RE BarCamp movement.
As one of the organizers of RE BarCamp Portland I can attest to the heartache & frustration of the registration/who’s coming debacle. I maintain that the next go around in Portland will have some sort of admission $$$. Maybe $10 or $20? Something to cover venue & lunch (at least).
This will help reduce the need for a ton of sponsors which in turn, reduces the desire for sponsors to need/want to “pimp” their wares. I’m thankful that none of our sponsors at RE BarCamp Portland were here to heavy hand their junk. I think they all did a wonderful job of staying hands off. In fact, we had a major contributor that gave above and beyond that day and never spoke a word about being a sponsor to anyone. I really appreciate that.
I agree with you Bobby about how amazing RE BarCamp NYC was! That was my first one as well and the round table discussions were off the charts! I also loved NOT having projectors/powerpoints/computers up & running. It forced us to get in and DISCUSS and work together to learn! They are not necessary IMHO!
I want to again say how much I appreciate you and Brad. I appreciate your desire to bring these events to so many around the globe who aren’t able to attend. Thank you!
As a closing thought…
I’m thinking that a RE BarCamp in the Park “Bring Your Own Chair” is a good idea. See who shows up and chat away until the conversations are done. Whatcha think?
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Great observations Bobby! REBC Denver was a lot of fun and we were able to adjust to issues like the number of projectors pretty quickly. One thing I would have liked to have seen was more nuts and bolts on how to do things like use a Flip, make some video, do a quick edit, and upload to YouTube and maybe some talk of syndication with some Q&A along the way. While we had a great video presentation, it was focused on using a syndicator, hire out video, and SEO.
We also had some great sessions that were facilitated and interactive, providing a lot of value. It’s great to see big names and vendors come out but we need to stay hand’s on and crunchy rather than getting too commercial.
I like Dale’s idea, bring your own chair and have it out in a park
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Monika – I suppose there are always some stresses that come with any event – my major stress point was I really wanted everyone to leave happy and with something of value
The idea of the charge for lunch and shirt isn’t a bad one – it would get a little bit more of a commitment out of people.
BYOChair & park – *ROCK IT* I’m there – I’d even pitch a tent and have campfire convos
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Bobby, one interesting thing that happened in Denver makes me wonder about how people who view the live streams are perceiving these events.
The big room is usually not the best room.
Much of the interaction you are talking about happens in those smaller rooms. Here in Chicago, we plan to start the morning with one big room, but then blow that up. We’re going to split that one big room into three almost immediately.
Denver was one of, if not THE biggest RE BarCamp. It was my favorite so far. I don’t think the size of the whole event has much to do with the formula for success.
I also think, if someone is pitching a product in front of me, I would just call them out right then and there. I hope other attendees choose to do the same. Now, if Walt’s Widgets wants to do a session on how to use Walt’s Widgets, don’t expect Walt not to pimp his product. Use the law of two feet, or don’t listen in the first place.
Last, call them speakers, presenters, facilitators or whatever. More than anything though, they are volunteers. It takes time money and effort to volunteer. If a critic doesn’t like the job the volunteers are doing, I guess I don’t care that much unless they want to volunteer to make it better.
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Bobby – you hit the nail on the head with a number of your points. I’ve attended 2 RE Bar Camps, and enjoyed both of them for a variety of reasons. I went to the bar camp in Virginia that you mentioned, and I loved that one. The smaller number made it more intimate, meaning everyone talked to everyone, you got to meet everyone, and the learning venue was great. And I agree with you that the smaller number did make it feel really special to be a part of it.
The Philly Bar Camp was great in a variety of ways as well, in that there were more sessions to pick and choose from, but because it was much larger, it didn’t allow for the closeness of feeling that the VA one had. I found out later that there were people there I wanted to meet that I never saw because of the larger attendance & the number of rooms sessions were in. That doesn’t take away anything from the enjoyment of that bar camp at all.
I like that there are before and after fun events at most of these, those add to the great feelings of being there in person.
I’ve also been able to watch parts of 3 other bar camps on your live streaming, and Monika is right in that the comments on those are quite telling, and would make great feedback for others to learn from – both organizers and speakers/presenters.
I’ll be attending the Boston Bar Camp next week, and I know those organizers have been working hard to put all the good things garnered from a number of bar camps that they’ve attended, in person or via live stream. And they’ve solicited feedback and input from attendees.
I’m a bar camp believer as well, and I hope they don’t ever become routine or run-of-the-mill. There’s so much to gain from attending them, in person or via your great live-streaming that you do.
My thanks to all who work so hard to put these bar camps together – that’s a true yeoman’s job for sure. And many thanks to you and Brad for the contributions you make as well – much appreciated.
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Hey Bobby, this was an awesome article. I have yet to attend a Bar Camp, however I am seriously considering planning one for here in Calgary and this post has definitely got the wheels turning. I know there are not many agents around here that are familiar with these types of events, but I feel its all the more reason to get the ball rolling.
Thank you for all the great information here.
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:48 pm
I attended the first rebarcamp in San Franciso. I have read everyone else’s comments, and I am no expert in this incredible medium, but maybe we need less of these camps to keep their “uniqueness” and “thrill” for the event at a hightened level.I don’t want to see them evolve into just vendors presenting and simultaneously selling. That may be the danger of continued repitition in this format.
Having said that, I applaud the efforts of Kim Wood and crew for rebcphl. They did an awesome job! I garnered a lot of info!
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:59 pm
Bobby,
Thank you for taking the time to write this post. Lots of great points both in your post and in the comments. It is my hope that REBAR Lynchburg is a small event with a lot of flexibility yet structure. You know rebar style. I have been to 2 rebar camps one in Fred-burg and also in Charlotte NC. Both were just great but different. Since rebar Lynchburg is 4 months away this gives us lots of time to make it a great event.
I really get turned off with a vender/volunteer that pitches, but like Todd said I just get up and leave and go to another session or in the hall. Sometimes the sessions in the hall is the best. I think you get out of these events what you want. It is one of those events that if you don’t like what is happening you do have the power to change it and shame on you if you don’t!
June 3rd, 2009 at 8:53 pm
I agree with your suggestions! I attended the very first Bar Camp in San Francisco. No projectors that I remember, lots of sessions, plenty of good information. One of my favorite sessions had a total of 6 people. It was much more spontaneous and more interactive between the presenter and the audience. While I don’t mind a few venders, it is beginning to lean way too far in that direction.
June 4th, 2009 at 8:41 am
We really did try to do what you suggested in Philly (as Kim mentioned). We went back and forth on session sizes and did stress to anyone emailing us about pushing their product (NOT too). That worked, sort of. Like Todd said, more people needed to understand the law of 2 feet.
One of, if not the best session, in Philly was probably the least attended. While the discussion morphed a bit, it was kept on track by the facilitator (Craig Barrett). I too would have liked more interaction in some of the other sessions.
As for charging, that may get more people “dedicated” to coming and cause a bit less stress about shirts, etc. and what to do with the “leftovers”. Nice post Bobby.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Hi Bobby,
My wife Nancy and I were at the Boston event and although it got off to a very rocky start we felt it was still worth every minute of our time. The organizers really tried hard to do a great job and they did.
With that said, I would suggest having seperate rooms for the break outs. One group in particular was so noisy that all the other break out sessions were compromised at that time.
Having the ability to suggest topics is nice but it also caused a lot of fragmantation and confusion.
All in all we would reccommend the RE BarCamps to anyone who can attend.